“As the Taliban came over the hill, they said ‘come on down, you’re going to run our country now’.
“That is not our responsibility, are you suggesting that the whole of Afghanistan come here?”
Phillips responded: “No, I asked you a very simple question.
“Women in Afghanistan are being persecuted.”
The Dewbs & Co panel had a raucous debate on Braverman's comments
MacKenzie interjected, “so what are you saying, we should take them all on?”
Phillips snapped back by suggesting that MacKenzie was failing to “let her finish”.
Michelle Dewberry was forced to step in and ask Phillips to clarify her comments.
“I would argue that women in Afghanistan are being persecuted”, she said.
Suella Braverman is in the US to deliver her speech on migrationPA
“I would say gay people in many African countries are being persecuted, at what point does persecution meet Suella Braverman’s criteria for being able to enter the country?”
Setting out the “civic argument” against illegal migration, Braverman said: “Uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism have proven a toxic combination for Europe over the last few decades.
“Multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate. It has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it. They could be in the society but not of the society.
“And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society.”
She said “the consequence of that failure” are evident “on the streets of cities all over Europe,” pointing to clashes in Leicester as an example.
Migration to the UK and Europe in the last 25 years “has been too much, too quick, with too little thought given to integration and the impact on social cohesion”, she said.
“If cultural change is too rapid and too big, then what was already there is diluted. Eventually it will disappear.”
It “does not make one anti-immigrant” to say that the nation state must be protected, Braverman added.
The senior Cabinet minister, a child of migrants from Mauritius and Kenya working under a Hindu Prime Minister, said: “It is no betrayal of my parents’ story to say that immigration must be controlled.”