Emily Carver in fierce clash: ‘Nonsense – taxpayers don’t want their cash spent on foreign criminals’

Emily Carver in fierce clash: ‘Nonsense – taxpayers don’t want their cash spent on foreign criminals’

Emily Carver and Shoaib Khan clash over deporting foreign criminals

Harvey Gough

By Harvey Gough


Published: 16/10/2023

- 15:23

Updated: 16/10/2023

- 16:52

Carver's outrage came as a result of the Government's new measure on incarcerating foreign criminals

GB News’ Emily Carver found herself in the middle of a fiery exchange with human rights lawyer Shoaib Khan, over a new measure from the Government to tackle overcrowding in Britain’s prisons.

Currently foreign criminals incarcerated in the UK can be removed from prison up to a year before the end of their sentence. However the Government’s new plan would mean bringing this up to 18 months before the end of their sentence.


The Conservatives claim the move would save £70,000 per inmate, though some have questioned this figure and the ethicality of the plan.

Speaking on GB News, Khan gave his view on the announcement, saying: “It seems to be that finally the Tories, as usual, have woken up to the fact that our prisons are now full.

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Emily Carver and Shoaib Khan clash over overcrowding of prisons.

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“I mean, it's an announcement by a Tory Justice Secretary, so we're not sure what will actually happen. It's hard to say.

“What we've been hearing from them is, you know, them advising and instructing judges to lock up shoplifters, lock up everyone. And now suddenly they realise there's no space to lock everyone up and it's costing us millions every year.”

During the conversation Bev Turner chimed in, asking Khan “Why can't we deport someone straight away when they've committed a crime?’”

Khan replied "No one's being rehabilitated, no one's actually reducing reoffending. In fact, we send someone to prison once and then we find out that's just a spiral and they're in prison regularly after."

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Emily then redirected Khan back to the question of deporting foreign criminals.

Khan replied “I think that's actually quite selfish where we just say, you know, ‘go back home’. We don't care who you are, a murderer, rapist. We don't want you in this country, but go be free in another country.”

Emily backed her co-presenter, saying, “It's not another country. It's their country of origin though, isn't it?”

Khan hit back at Bev, saying “I think that's actually quite selfish where we just say, you know, ‘go back home’. We don't care who you are, a murderer, rapist. We don't want you in this country, but go be free in another country.”

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However, Khan made it clear he feels the UK must take responsibility for its part in the crimes committed by those living here.

“Many of these people have been in the UK many, many years. Many of them came as children. So it just depends what we mean by ‘their country’.

“I think at some point we need to stop thinking of ourselves just as British, just as English, just as the Western world. At some point, at some level, we are all human.”

Emily had enough, saying “That is just total nonsense! You cannot live with a global justice system. We pay for prisons in this country. That is what our taxpayer money goes to. I would argue the vast majority of British people do not want their money to be going towards prison and rehabilitation for foreign criminals!"

In response to this Khan pointed to conditions in Wandsworth prison which an independent report has found houses prisoners in ‘inhumane conditions’, and questioned if the Government is doing enough for prisoners’ and prison staff’s safety.

Khan also discussed the use of private contractors in the justice system which he says the UK gives “billions of pounds to and gets nothing in return.”

Finally Emily and Bev managed to find one piece of common ground with Khan, who said, “The Home Office needs to start doing these things as soon as someone is sentenced, and realise ‘OK, this is someone who we can potentially deport, let's start the process’.”

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