GB News guest erupts as Tories and Reform branded 'snowflakes' in fiery clash: 'You are gaslighting us!'

Lord Hermer warned against the "siren song" from MPs pushing for Britain to "abandon the constraints of international law in favour of raw power."

Speaking on GB News, Jonathan Lis said: "I know you're desperate for me to say that you're a Nazi."

Matthew Goodwin responded: "No I think you're gaslighting a lot of people."

Lis said: "This is so silly. It's completely legitimate to point out the genesis of international law, which was the colossal failure of international institutions and law that culminated in the Second World War and the horrors, and after that, which you will have, which you will freely admit, you just have admitted.

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"People like Winston Churchill came together with his European colleagues to set up, to set up a convention on human rights and a court to adjudicate on human rights disputes.

"Now, that is just a fact. And that it came out of the ashes of the Second World War. Now, yes, it might have changed since then, it's completely legitimate to argue that we should try and change a relationship, or that we should leave altogether. I would never agree with that, but it's completely legitimate to argue that. I would never call you a Nazi."

Goodwin fumed: "If you won't leave it, how do you solve? You would accept then, if you do not leave the ECHR, you cannot solve the small boat crisis."

Lis said: "Can I also just point out this? This conversation is quite interesting because we hear so often about snowflakes on the left, about how people on the left are always getting offended by the slightest thing.

"I think that you're just demonstrating the exact same thing on the other side, that someone makes a comment, which is historical, that this court, this institution, was born out of the ashes of the Second World War.

"And to point out that it was a Nazi who said that sort of state power was the war that counted, not international law. Again, just a fact. And you'll say, oh, he was saying that we're all Nazis."

Matt Goodwin added: "We're not Nazis. That's not what I'm objecting to. He could have chosen any political philosopher to make that point. He didn't need to choose Carl Schmitt, that's number one.

"Everyone knows Carl Schmitt was aligned with Hitler and the Nazis. Point two, he has not mentioned in his lecture that many states since the Second World War have chosen not to participate in international law.

"In the mind of the Attorney General, like in the mind of Keir Starmer and the mind of these people on the left, if you question international law and convention, you are somehow comparable.

"Don't forget, sorry Jonathan, it's only a few months ago that Keir Starmer was running up and down this country, saying that if anybody questioned his government's policies on migration and the borders, they were somehow equivalent to the far right."